Wednesday, August 18, 2010

False Claims By Christain'ts

Yes, you read the title correctly. I wrote Christain'ts. Why? Because I don't consider them to be real Christians.

They are, in my opinion, CINO's or Christians in Name Only. They promote their own particular agenda of what a Christian is or should be, follow the rules they pick and choose to follow, and readily condemn those that don't agree with them.

Palin fans are famous for this. One such fan who regularly proclaims herself to be a Christian is Adrienne Ross who blogs at a site called "Motivation Truth". The problem is that "Truth" is not what she writes, but propaganda designed to to mislead and misinform.

A prime example:
















Adrienne Ross Twitter


Her post is about how supposedly a church that was destroyed by debris from the attack on September 11 is not being allowed to be rebuilt, but that the Cordoba House/Park 51 otherwise falsely labeled as the  Ground Zero Mosque (it is neither a mosque nor is it at Ground Zero) is being greenlighted along, and the implication she makes is that there is religious freedom for the Mosque but not for the Church.

She writes:

Let's look at the facts. If there was such love and tolerance for all people's right to worship, as seems to have sprung up with the plans for building the mosque, why hasn't there been a great outcry about St. Nicholas Church? This church was destroyed when one of the Towers collapsed, but they have not been allowed to rebuild.
Ross Paints False Picture of the Facts in her claims of Religious Freedom for some


Lets look at the actual facts shall we?  They are easy enough to find, she even links to the article in question, but conveniently omits the truth, which was provided in the same link, from her rant.


The Port Authority and the church announced a deal in July 2008 under which the Port Authority would grant land and up to $20 million to help rebuild it in a new location -- in addition, the authority was willing to pay up to $40 million to construct a bomb-proof platform underneath.
Within a year, the deal fell through and talks ended. Port Authority officials told Fox News that the deal is dead.
The archdiocese and Port Authority offer sharply conflicting accounts of where things went wrong. The Port Authority has previously claimed the church was making additional demands -- like wanting the $20 million up front and wanting to review plans for the surrounding area. They say the church can still proceed on its own if it wishes.
"The church continues to have the right to rebuild at their original site, and we will pay fair market value for the underground space beneath that building," a spokesperson with the Port Authority told Fox News.
But Karloutsos called the Port Authority's claims "propaganda" and said the church has complied with all conditions. He said the government should honor agreements that date back to 2004, under former New York Gov. George Pataki.

Fox News ~ Conflicting Stories Between Port Authority & Archdiocese


The bottom line in this story:

"The church continues to have the right to rebuild at their original site, and we will pay fair market value for the underground space beneath that building," a spokesperson with the Port Authority told Fox News.


That's right, the church is not being stopped from rebuilding.  Not in any way, shape or form.  They have the right to rebuild.  No one is stopping them.


In fact if you do a bit of research you'll find that not only is the church not being stopped, but they got greedy.

Last July, the Port Authority and the Greek Orthodox Church announced a tentative plan to rebuild the church just east of its original site, at Liberty and Greenwich Streets. The authority agreed to provide the church with land for a 24,000-square-foot house of worship, far larger than the original, and $20 million. Since the church would be built in a park over the bomb-screening center, the authority also agreed to pay up to $40 million for a blast-proof platform and foundation.

In recent negotiations, the authority cut the size of the church slightly and told church officials that its dome could not rise higher than the trade center memorial. The church, in turn, wanted the right to review plans for both the garage with the bomb-screening center and the park, something the authority was unwilling to provide. More important, authority officials said, the church wanted the $20 million up front, rather than in stages. Officials said they feared that the church, which has raised about $2 million for its new building, would come back to the authority for more.

The termination of negotiations is a major setback for the little church, a parish of 70 families that is nearly 90 years old. St. Nicholas officials had hoped to build an impressive structure, with a traditional Greek Orthodox dome, and a nondenominational center for visitors to ground zero. That will not be possible on the church’s original 1,200-square-foot lot, although church officials say they hope for reconciliation.

NYTimes

So the church was offered larger space than they originally had, and were offered money to help rebuild but that wasn't good enough.



So where pray tell is the religious intolerance in this situation?   Does the Church have protesters trying to stop this from being rebuilt?  No!  Are there people shouting that they should not rebuild or that this group should move further away from the site?   No!

There is no comparison between the two, but that isn't going to stop these Christain'ts from trying to make an issue out of it.  Why?  Because they need to try and prove that their complaints are not religious intolerance, and as we've just seen they have failed miserably.  Hardly surprising but the facts speak for themselves.

This is hardly the behavior of a real Christian, but then again, those who are real Christians don't need to proclaim it loudly or proudly, they just are what they are and prove it in their daily lives in the numerous small ways that good Christians do.

5 comments:

  1. crystalwolf aka caligrlAugust 18, 2010 at 11:22 PM

    Excellent!
    I call them xtains...
    Her cult members...they will spin anything to make her important or relevant!
    It makes me sick she is allowed to spew her bullshit across the country.
    Slowly but surely its seem people are coming around even cons!
    We shall see.
    I am just sick of her and her constant LYING!

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  2. Where is the outrage for the Catholic Christian Church over the rape and abduction of children around the world for decades? Most people know that this recent Mosque debate is another distraction and proof of the rights dispicable choices in order to gain back power. They want to continue to repeat the venom until it's in the populace dialogue. In the meantime, everyday people are suffering from the effects of the right wing being in power for the last 30 years. 95% of Americans are not wealthy and their incomes have not increased, but the rich got 3 times richer in these last 3 decades. The immorality and hypocrasy of the powerful, be they bankers or religeous hierarchy, it's all the same. Power begets money and vice versa.
    Palin and the rest of the tools are playing their part. We have to call them all out and make them responsable for their words and actions.
    All of them, even if they where a fancy dress, robe or nothing at all, are rotten apples sticking up the barrel.

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  3. Excellent, excellent post EOY. ITA with your view that "real" Christians do not have to resort to the theatrics, the lies and the constant drama. They simply quietly go about their own lives and try to help others without the grandiose schemes to promote themselves. Sarah Palin is the biggest CINO there is. And it is apparent, or certainly becoming more apparent each day to all but her Bots.

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  4. Thanks for the comments.

    Caligrl, I understand what you mean, I've taken to calling them Christain'ts because "they ain't" Christians, or at least not in my opinion.

    Anonymous, I feel your outrage and it makes me angry as well. I agree we need to call them out, and keep being vocal about the lies, and the bs.

    SoCalWolfGal, Thanks. I know many people who are "real" Christians. You'd never know it if you didn't know them personally, but you might wonder, because they are decent moral people, who quietly go to church, do charity work, work hard, play hard & they don't treat others with disrespect or condemnation, and would do anything to help out nearly anyone. I happen to know of their beliefs, but we've been friends for eons, so I've learned about them over time, but to me, they are just good decent people who don't wear their religion on their sleeves, and don't need to proclaim it.

    I find that true Christians are happy to follow the example they believe Jesus set for them and just do good works, without the need for applause or adulation for doing it.

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  5. Adrienne Ross appears to worship Sarah Palin. Palin is a false idol who is a proven liar.
    Adrienne Ross is just following Palin's example of "bearing false witness".

    Excellent post EOY.

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